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	<title>Comments on: Masturbation: It’s a Form of False Intimacy</title>
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	<description>Create in me a pure heart, O God...  ~Psalm 51:10</description>
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		<title>By: Einreb</title>
		<link>http://www.pureheartpuremind.com/2008/03/masturbation-it%e2%80%99s-a-form-of-false-intimacy/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Einreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope somebody can answer on Harold&#039;s comments.</description>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,

While I would, in no respect, argue my own life or conduct to be perfect, I might make a few comments;

(i) in regards to the &#039;fruitful&#039; designs of sex; theoretically, yes, upon this premise the act of masturbation would be wrong. But so would a couple who choose to use contraception. So would, potentially, a wet dream. The absurdity here is self evident

(ii) Second, it is more likely that the root cause of its classifcation as a sin may be due to the concept of &#039;Onanism,&#039; where the early church considered Onan to be guilty of sin because he &#039;spilt&#039; his seed; rather, the cause of God&#039;s anger was instead his failure to impregnate his decased brother&#039;s wife and s fulfil his duty etc. In this regard, there has been much confusion (James Dobson has commented similarly)

The article&#039;s thesis is quite right; there is no &#039;intimacy&#039; to be gained from the act of masturbation. However, if the act is separate from lustful thoughts, etc and designed to merely act as a release, then it is not necessarily anymore prima facie wrong than a wet dream.

I would, personally, be loathe to classify it as an act wrong in itself; otherwise, I fear it may become a source of shame and hypocrisy. Instead, this is an issue that I would simply ask to be relegated to the realm of individual conscience.

Kind Regards,
Harold</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>While I would, in no respect, argue my own life or conduct to be perfect, I might make a few comments;</p>
<p>(i) in regards to the &#8216;fruitful&#8217; designs of sex; theoretically, yes, upon this premise the act of masturbation would be wrong. But so would a couple who choose to use contraception. So would, potentially, a wet dream. The absurdity here is self evident</p>
<p>(ii) Second, it is more likely that the root cause of its classifcation as a sin may be due to the concept of &#8216;Onanism,&#8217; where the early church considered Onan to be guilty of sin because he &#8216;spilt&#8217; his seed; rather, the cause of God&#8217;s anger was instead his failure to impregnate his decased brother&#8217;s wife and s fulfil his duty etc. In this regard, there has been much confusion (James Dobson has commented similarly)</p>
<p>The article&#8217;s thesis is quite right; there is no &#8216;intimacy&#8217; to be gained from the act of masturbation. However, if the act is separate from lustful thoughts, etc and designed to merely act as a release, then it is not necessarily anymore prima facie wrong than a wet dream.</p>
<p>I would, personally, be loathe to classify it as an act wrong in itself; otherwise, I fear it may become a source of shame and hypocrisy. Instead, this is an issue that I would simply ask to be relegated to the realm of individual conscience.</p>
<p>Kind Regards,<br />
Harold</p>
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		<title>By: furstrated single</title>
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		<dc:creator>furstrated single</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have read the comments and i certainly agree with the theoretical foundations that it is sinful. However am just wondering what single people are supposed to do with their sex drive. it really is furstrating when all that sexual tension is built up in ur body and cant be released. i am a woman and it gets really hard esp during ovulation. in my case masturbation has prevented fornication. However going by the accompanying guilt, i know it is sinful. i just wonder what am i supposed to do with the sexual desires in the meantime, as i do not want to fall into sin. i have tried offering them up to God, but the drive is too high. i have tried to ascertain the cause of this....i have come to the realisation that a need for companionship and i guess a feeling of justification drive me to this. am like God will understand coz he is the one who is given me the drive and yet he isnt providing me with a spouse to meet this need. After all, i am holier than thou coz there are single people out there who resort to casual sex to let steam off. i am better coz i use it as a last resort. Right? Wrong! i realise how wrong i have been! the sexual drive is part of nature&#039;s course and is healthy. what is unhealthy is yielding to temptation. i read somewhere in Titus that God is not the one who tempts us as he does not deceive. He knows we are human and its really wrong to think that he would put us thru such trying moments...HE LOVES US! He is not some harsh examiner providing challenging tasks and ready to punish us if we fail! Nevertheless he lets us get tempted BUT only for what we can handle. Therefore the fact that am still single despite my seemingly high sexual drive, means God believes that i can remain pure. That is why he has called us and says that we shall place our burdens on him and he shall give us rest. am really trying to place this burden on him....as his grace is sufficient for me. and i do believe he shall give me perserverance until i am married. i believe that in his mercy he shall keep me free from this sin and that he shall provide reprieve for me soon by providing the spouse who shall meet my sexual needs. to all the single people in this dilemma i know its hard and i keep falling however i find this useful.....every time u get horny esp as a gal, offer up that cross to God and ask him to use it for his purposes. Personally i pray for a happy marriage and a sexually fulfilling one every time i get tempted. i also pray for sanctity of my body parts that they may be used for God&#039;s righteousness...and that my body may be pleasing to the husband. i guess just like Christ&#039;s cross was used for the slvation of mankind, so can this furstration be used for a greater and a glorifying good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have read the comments and i certainly agree with the theoretical foundations that it is sinful. However am just wondering what single people are supposed to do with their sex drive. it really is furstrating when all that sexual tension is built up in ur body and cant be released. i am a woman and it gets really hard esp during ovulation. in my case masturbation has prevented fornication. However going by the accompanying guilt, i know it is sinful. i just wonder what am i supposed to do with the sexual desires in the meantime, as i do not want to fall into sin. i have tried offering them up to God, but the drive is too high. i have tried to ascertain the cause of this&#8230;.i have come to the realisation that a need for companionship and i guess a feeling of justification drive me to this. am like God will understand coz he is the one who is given me the drive and yet he isnt providing me with a spouse to meet this need. After all, i am holier than thou coz there are single people out there who resort to casual sex to let steam off. i am better coz i use it as a last resort. Right? Wrong! i realise how wrong i have been! the sexual drive is part of nature&#8217;s course and is healthy. what is unhealthy is yielding to temptation. i read somewhere in Titus that God is not the one who tempts us as he does not deceive. He knows we are human and its really wrong to think that he would put us thru such trying moments&#8230;HE LOVES US! He is not some harsh examiner providing challenging tasks and ready to punish us if we fail! Nevertheless he lets us get tempted BUT only for what we can handle. Therefore the fact that am still single despite my seemingly high sexual drive, means God believes that i can remain pure. That is why he has called us and says that we shall place our burdens on him and he shall give us rest. am really trying to place this burden on him&#8230;.as his grace is sufficient for me. and i do believe he shall give me perserverance until i am married. i believe that in his mercy he shall keep me free from this sin and that he shall provide reprieve for me soon by providing the spouse who shall meet my sexual needs. to all the single people in this dilemma i know its hard and i keep falling however i find this useful&#8230;..every time u get horny esp as a gal, offer up that cross to God and ask him to use it for his purposes. Personally i pray for a happy marriage and a sexually fulfilling one every time i get tempted. i also pray for sanctity of my body parts that they may be used for God&#8217;s righteousness&#8230;and that my body may be pleasing to the husband. i guess just like Christ&#8217;s cross was used for the slvation of mankind, so can this furstration be used for a greater and a glorifying good.</p>
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		<title>By: In Love with God</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Love with God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled across this so I thought I would give some input. I have been praying, getting my spitirual life straight, as well as my heart, mind, and everything else having to do with my life for over a year now. It was an eye opener when I started praying and walking with God like I knew I should have been all along.. The first thing that was layed on my heart was my sexual immorality (and porn addiction). I still struggle with it, and I find myself with one of two choices.. I can check my e-mail and resist the temptation that comes along with being on the internet, or I can forget I even have a computer and finish the day off strong. I am geting ready to go to bible college this fall (Friday is when I leave for california) and I am desperatly hoping to strengthen my love for God there that it will not be an issue when I come back home in the summer. I have also noted the difference between the days when I do slip and do what I know I shouldent, and the days when I hold strong.. My relationships are strong on the days I hold strong, and when I slip I cannot hold a conversation with a pure heart and mind to save my life untill God grants me repentance. Something that stuck out to me in one of these articles was when the writer was talking about self pitty and feeling like sexual immorality is owed to you. He is right, it is best to buck up and tell yourself to stop feeling sorry and acnowladge that there is actually people in the world that live without, and you are no different, and know it will make you that much better with God, that much more pure in his sight when you do not do what you know you shouldent do. Since I have been praying I have gone from hours a night staring at porn and masterbating to once a week if even that, please pray for me because neither God or I will be satisfied untill I learn to control myself to the point of not commiting this. Great meeting of the minds and spirits here, I love it and will be comming back


Casey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled across this so I thought I would give some input. I have been praying, getting my spitirual life straight, as well as my heart, mind, and everything else having to do with my life for over a year now. It was an eye opener when I started praying and walking with God like I knew I should have been all along.. The first thing that was layed on my heart was my sexual immorality (and porn addiction). I still struggle with it, and I find myself with one of two choices.. I can check my e-mail and resist the temptation that comes along with being on the internet, or I can forget I even have a computer and finish the day off strong. I am geting ready to go to bible college this fall (Friday is when I leave for california) and I am desperatly hoping to strengthen my love for God there that it will not be an issue when I come back home in the summer. I have also noted the difference between the days when I do slip and do what I know I shouldent, and the days when I hold strong.. My relationships are strong on the days I hold strong, and when I slip I cannot hold a conversation with a pure heart and mind to save my life untill God grants me repentance. Something that stuck out to me in one of these articles was when the writer was talking about self pitty and feeling like sexual immorality is owed to you. He is right, it is best to buck up and tell yourself to stop feeling sorry and acnowladge that there is actually people in the world that live without, and you are no different, and know it will make you that much better with God, that much more pure in his sight when you do not do what you know you shouldent do. Since I have been praying I have gone from hours a night staring at porn and masterbating to once a week if even that, please pray for me because neither God or I will be satisfied untill I learn to control myself to the point of not commiting this. Great meeting of the minds and spirits here, I love it and will be comming back</p>
<p>Casey</p>
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		<title>By: Once Frustrated 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Once Frustrated 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Once frustrated Wife. I found real truths when I signed up for &quot; The Lord&#039;s Table&quot; courses on &quot;settingcaptivesfree.com&quot;. To my amazement. I overate because of being rejected by my husband for 3 years (my 2nd marriage) This never came about until I said &quot;I Do&quot;, then I found myself living like &quot;Frustrated Wife&quot;(above).
  When on the Lord&#039;s Table the Holy Spirit led me to check out the &quot;60 days to Purity&quot; course on sexual issues and sexual sin.I started the study that day, I can tell you today, even if it&#039;s my 9th Day God changed me first and my husband&#039;s  attitude towards me in just  before a  week.
   God is REALLY able if You throw in the towel and humble yourself. He is my full satisfaction and I know He loves me and wants the best for me as long as I PLEASE HIM and Not me than my  life flows smoothly with peace of mind and joy to live again with my husband in a Freshness like never before. God is My Daily Bread and Living Waters.
   I&#039;ll be praying for many more marriages out there, especially My Christian brothers and Sisters. Have a blessed week and I&#039;ll be praying for you to just check out the settingcaptivesfree.com study courses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Once frustrated Wife. I found real truths when I signed up for &#8221; The Lord&#8217;s Table&#8221; courses on &#8220;settingcaptivesfree.com&#8221;. To my amazement. I overate because of being rejected by my husband for 3 years (my 2nd marriage) This never came about until I said &#8220;I Do&#8221;, then I found myself living like &#8220;Frustrated Wife&#8221;(above).<br />
  When on the Lord&#8217;s Table the Holy Spirit led me to check out the &#8220;60 days to Purity&#8221; course on sexual issues and sexual sin.I started the study that day, I can tell you today, even if it&#8217;s my 9th Day God changed me first and my husband&#8217;s  attitude towards me in just  before a  week.<br />
   God is REALLY able if You throw in the towel and humble yourself. He is my full satisfaction and I know He loves me and wants the best for me as long as I PLEASE HIM and Not me than my  life flows smoothly with peace of mind and joy to live again with my husband in a Freshness like never before. God is My Daily Bread and Living Waters.<br />
   I&#8217;ll be praying for many more marriages out there, especially My Christian brothers and Sisters. Have a blessed week and I&#8217;ll be praying for you to just check out the settingcaptivesfree.com study courses.</p>
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		<title>By: Once Frustrated Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Once Frustrated Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate to you frustrated wife.  My &quot;Christian&quot; husband was caught up in lust, pornography, and masturbation.  Of course that caused him not to be interested in marital relations.  After many years of frustration and wondering if I had a right to &quot;pleasure myself&quot; I came to the realization that that was sin.  I had made sex an idol.  Certainly sex is a desired by most healthy individuals, but I have learned that, just like resisting a piece of chocolate cake, I will not die if I do not have sex or masturbate.  When my desire became to please God more than myself, I realized that two wrongs do not make a right.  My husband&#039;s sin did not give me a right to sin.  Furthermore, God will give us the grace to keep ourselves in whatever situation we may find be in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate to you frustrated wife.  My &#8220;Christian&#8221; husband was caught up in lust, pornography, and masturbation.  Of course that caused him not to be interested in marital relations.  After many years of frustration and wondering if I had a right to &#8220;pleasure myself&#8221; I came to the realization that that was sin.  I had made sex an idol.  Certainly sex is a desired by most healthy individuals, but I have learned that, just like resisting a piece of chocolate cake, I will not die if I do not have sex or masturbate.  When my desire became to please God more than myself, I realized that two wrongs do not make a right.  My husband&#8217;s sin did not give me a right to sin.  Furthermore, God will give us the grace to keep ourselves in whatever situation we may find be in.</p>
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		<title>By: Frustrated Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frustrated Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been wondering about this. As a single, I sometimes felt this was sinful, but how about this, now, a situation I never thought I&#039;d find myself in?  My husband has so distanced himself from me emotionally that he refuses to have sex with me. It seems that my masturbating is a better option than having an affair, which seems more desirable all the time. When we were still sexually active, he acted like touching me and being touched by me were distasteful, and like he could hardly wait to get the act over with. I&#039;ve never felt like we&#039;ve &quot;made love&quot; in 11 years, only &quot;had sex.&quot; How could masturbating in this situation &quot;take away&quot; anything from our [non-existent] sexual relationship? He&#039;s clearly sinning to deny me my conjugal rights, so what am I supposed to do, just pray? Is it a &quot;healthy, normal human&quot;  need/desire to feel sexual pleasure through masturbation even if our spouses are sinning by not seeking to bring us this pleasure in relationship through sex?  She says it&#039;s not a Christian/nonChristian area, but human, and that masturbation should be enjoyed without guilt by any adult human, but especially by women who are not being adequately pleasured by their husbands or who are single.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering about this. As a single, I sometimes felt this was sinful, but how about this, now, a situation I never thought I&#8217;d find myself in?  My husband has so distanced himself from me emotionally that he refuses to have sex with me. It seems that my masturbating is a better option than having an affair, which seems more desirable all the time. When we were still sexually active, he acted like touching me and being touched by me were distasteful, and like he could hardly wait to get the act over with. I&#8217;ve never felt like we&#8217;ve &#8220;made love&#8221; in 11 years, only &#8220;had sex.&#8221; How could masturbating in this situation &#8220;take away&#8221; anything from our [non-existent] sexual relationship? He&#8217;s clearly sinning to deny me my conjugal rights, so what am I supposed to do, just pray? Is it a &#8220;healthy, normal human&#8221;  need/desire to feel sexual pleasure through masturbation even if our spouses are sinning by not seeking to bring us this pleasure in relationship through sex?  She says it&#8217;s not a Christian/nonChristian area, but human, and that masturbation should be enjoyed without guilt by any adult human, but especially by women who are not being adequately pleasured by their husbands or who are single.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What great truth.  It is a hard topic that most christians do not even dare to discuss.  I do know that I have read some material by christian authors that say that masturbation is a natural way to release sexual tensions for unmarried people.  This is such an unhealthy view.  As you said it is unrelational and a separation of the physical from everything else. It creates a bad pattern for married life.
God did not create sex for a selfish satisfaction but an intimate union between husband and wife.
Accepting masturbation as a form of sexual immorality is a big challenge  for christians. A challenge I pray we all take seriously. A challenge that is Biblical truth.
May we all keep asking ourselves &quot;What does it mean to be living out God&#039;s will?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What great truth.  It is a hard topic that most christians do not even dare to discuss.  I do know that I have read some material by christian authors that say that masturbation is a natural way to release sexual tensions for unmarried people.  This is such an unhealthy view.  As you said it is unrelational and a separation of the physical from everything else. It creates a bad pattern for married life.<br />
God did not create sex for a selfish satisfaction but an intimate union between husband and wife.<br />
Accepting masturbation as a form of sexual immorality is a big challenge  for christians. A challenge I pray we all take seriously. A challenge that is Biblical truth.<br />
May we all keep asking ourselves &#8220;What does it mean to be living out God&#8217;s will?&#8221;</p>
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